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Author Topic: 2001 S-Type Jaguar, 3.0 V6, Not Idling correctly  (Read 2496 times)
D-man
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« on: December 26, 2007, 05:00:13 PM »

Hi All,
I have been experiencing probles with my 3.0 Jag not idling properly, This problem appears to be intermitant however is becoming quite normal now and becoming dangerous (for my rear bumper at traffic lights) I know there are a number of reasons that people have experienced this problem however i am trying to find the most common solution befor i get the mechanic to have another look. There is no Jag Dealer ship for 800Kms.
Other possible related symptoms
1 - (only happened 3-4 times) i was driving down the road at about 60 km/hr and my brake pedal gave a shutter and spring back then the DSC / light error came on. It always goes away usually after the car has been stopped.
2 - I am now frequently finding that going up a local hill that the car is missing/jerking slightly. (the kind of thing if you were in your mums toyota you would expect to feel) but if someone else was driving the car they probably would not notice. It is hard so explain but anyone that has had this problem will know straight away what i am talking about i hope...

The car runs beautifully under straight line normal driving and it purs like a kitten. as usual when you want to show a mechanic the car performs without showing the problem.

i am looking forward to any good advice i can get. (i am going to print this forum and give it to the mechanic for advice)

Cheers
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 03:08:53 AM »

Probably you have a failed ignition coil(s) or oil near spark plugs.
You will need to remove intake manifold and replace the failed coils... you can diagnose the failed ones when your car's ECU is read at the dealership. However, you can order 3 new coils and replace the ones that can be only accessed by removing the intake manifold. With other 3 you can play around easily yourself.

Cracked lower elbow can be a problem as well. You need to replace it as well - you can access it while you have removed intake manifold and injector "panel" (do not completely remove it).

There are some seals that need to be replaced - boss seals (check out our board and you will see all parts that are suggested to be replaced). Upper and lower intake manifold seals are ok, so do are valve cover seals (usually).

Enjoy your cat!
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 03:10:23 AM »

Ooops almost forgot. When did you replace the spark plugs - a perfect timing for replacing spark plugs when intake manifold is off...
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2007, 06:24:49 PM »

It sounds like the next time i open the hood it is going to be costly.... Ahh its all worth it, i think with this advice i am going to be able to go straight to the problem rather than guessing. I have not changed the plugs since i have owned it, there is 75000Km on the spedo, i have owned it since 50000km. I was trying to get a better symptom description for you last night. as the shutter when driving is getting worse.

the problem #2 listed in my first post is becoming one of those almost every time things. If i drive about 75% throttle up the hills it is not to bad however i found that goung up with little to no throttle % then increasing slowly it began to shuttler again Do you think this is a symptom of the coils, I am nervous about gearbox problems after doing some reading on the net. I thought gearbox problems would be the last thing i would have with the jag, it is so smooth....

I still love this car, it is like it  handles better in the rain than it does in the dry.....
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2007, 05:27:06 PM »

the problem #2 listed in my first post is becoming one of those almost every time things. If i drive about 75% throttle up the hills it is not to bad however i found that goung up with little to no throttle % then increasing slowly it began to shuttler again Do you think this is a symptom of the coils, I am nervous about gearbox problems after doing some reading on the net. I thought gearbox problems would be the last thing i would have with the jag, it is so smooth....


I am 90% confident that it's a coil problem (leaking boss seals, or even water in spark plug chamber(s)). You can easily remove 3 ignition coils and spark plugs on the left side (from the driver position, non-UK). Probably takes a 15 to 20 minutes of easy and pleasant work, unless you have a cold weather and no garage.

After coils are removed - see if there is any moisture or oil present. Remove spark plugs and check if they are OK and not cracked, damaged or burned out.. etc. Do you have any smoke coming out from rear left or right side when the engine is not working normally ?

Gearbox problems are - jerking, shuddering, bad noise, delayed engages, not normal gear changing etc... I am not sure it's a gearbox problem.

If you are able to scan your ECU at the dealer - go for it, because each ignition coil costs around 40-50$ in USA and you will need 3 to replace that are under the intake manifold unless you know the failed coil by error code. With other 3 coils you can play around later, again if you have read ECU error codes, you will know which one really failed. If you need to drive 500+ km it's not worth it and I would order some spare ignition coils - gas is expensive nowadays.

To be honest, If you are unable to read with the ECU reader, buy 3 ignition coils (for cylinders that are under intake manifold and hard to access), 2 boss seals (10$ each or something), lower breather elbow (around 10$ or something, L - shape, but bigger than upper breather elbow you can easily access - actually this was a recall and done at no charge with Jaguar (the upper breather elbow)). And perhaps 6 new spark plugs that you can change. Those run from $2-20 a piece, with iridium and platinum on the expensive side.

I am doing such repairs myself and replacing ignition coils, spark plugs, lower breather elbow, boss seals, (valve cover seals are always OK, make sure you use some special seal lube/silicone, it should be used a bit there - you will see where the old silicone was used - preferable buy it in black color - costs around $2-$3 one tube). I am usually in no rush, this job takes ~3 hours. It's very easy actually and first time it will take a bit longer of course. You can also get inlet manifold upper/lower gasket (2 + 2 required), cost around $10 each, but they are OK usually.

However, I am not doing a full coolant drain - I raise one of the coolant pipes (open the cap of coolant expansion tank before removing the pipe to intake manifold). You will just need to make sure there is no air in the coolant pipes - there is a small plastic piece what you can use to release the air from the system.

I hope this helps you a bit and also any other Jaguar S Type owner.
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