atilamejias
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« on: February 15, 2008, 05:48:38 AM » |
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Is this possible? I just had my 2000 S-TYPE 3.0 tranny rebuilt 8
months and 10,000 miles ago, It broke again and now the shop says
that the warranty is void because they found water in the fluid.
Where did this water came from? The coolant level seems ok. I checked the JTIS manual and it seems that the trans oil cooler is not inside the radiator but a different part. Please help, I don't want to get the shaft again.
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Neil
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 09:27:18 AM » |
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LIES!!! They should rebuild it. How could water get inside the tranny? Complete LIES!
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atilamejias
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 10:37:06 AM » |
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Well, here's the thing: I just came back from the Jag dealer, I asked the service advisor if this cooler is inside tre radiator or not. He consulted with a technician and he said that indeed, the cooler is inside. BUT then I went to the parts desk, asked for the transmission cooler and the guy told me that it was not part of the radiator, he showed me the diagram and explained to me that it has only 2 inlets and 2 outlets. (this cooler also cools the power steering fluid, diferent lines but same panel). I went back to the service area and told this to the advisor, who asked again the technician who said the same thing than before and that if I wanted, I could bring the car for a check-up. Who is right? I believe that the technician, assuming that a lot of cars and maybe other Jags have this lines running inside the radiator, answered the question without even looking to a diagram or a car. I cant' check this myself on the car right now because the car is in the shop.
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Neil
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 03:23:10 PM » |
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Do you have a WATER inside the cooling system? It should be a specific coolant (pinkish in color) actually as per Jaguar specifications
Trans axle cooling system shares the same aluminum oil cooler with POWER ASSISTED STEERING. It has 2 separate blocks because the oil is different.
You should ask the manager to FIRE THAT IDIOT, I haven't seen a car with WATER powered POWER ASSISTED STEERING SYSTEM. Is this a Jaguar dealer or some crazy transmission repair shop with students working or what?
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Neil
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 03:27:07 PM » |
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Power steering and tranny oil cooler is a smaller unit, fully separate from the main radiator - I hope I will remember and take a picture for your tomorrow.
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atilamejias
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 03:45:52 PM » |
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Actually, is not water but coolant. (my bad) What the trans shop said was that the trans fluid was contaminated, probably by liquid (coolant) coming from the radiator (again assuming that the cooler is INSIDE the radiator) and that a pipe from this cooler broke and water came inside or maybe by driving trough a deep puddle of water (never happened). They did show me a pail of a brown liquid that they said came from the transmission. I really appreciate your help, I just want to be sure so I can take this to the end.
Luis.
pd. What the Jaguar technician said was that the cooler is integrated in the radiator and if a pipe breaks, then the coolant surrounding this pipe could come inside the cooler and then to the transmission.
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Neil
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008, 03:25:49 PM » |
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I think there is a aluminum pipe or something inside that cooler that can't be damaged that easily. How can it break? Maybe they did break it when they were flushing your transmission oil using a compressor or something?
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atilamejias
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 01:17:05 PM » |
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I still haven't pick up my car (I want to be sure that there is no way that coolant could enter the trans fluid) but I did found a picture of this cooler (not mine): notice that there are only 2 inlets and 2 outlets (in and out for power steering and trans fluid) What do you guys make of this? http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/DSC06501.jpg?t=1203444896 |
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Neil
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 03:47:53 PM » |
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If I was you I would take off the cooler and bring it to another shop for certified test. If there is no crack inside the cooler then they are lying to you 100%.
If the "crack" could be caused by high pressure I would tend to believe that there are many other parts - pipes that would break before the cooler....
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atilamejias
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008, 12:53:08 PM » |
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UPDATE:
I just received a call from the shop, they told me that they called the Jag dealer and that they said that it's possible to get coolant in the trans if the radiator was broken. Then they offered me that if i fix the cooling system they will fix the trans charging only for the damaged parts. Now, should I cut my loses and accept this deal? I don't want to come too strong and piss them off because the could retire the offer but I think that if I'm right (I'm really not sure if I'm right) I should't pay one cent. I think I just accept the offer, take out the radiator myself and check for myself if I'm right or wrong. Then, I will make a decision.
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atilamejias
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2008, 01:52:52 PM » |
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I just took apart the radiator assembly and there is NO trans lines running into it. It only has one inlet and one outlet, one for the upper hose and another for the bottom hose. The trans oil cooler is a different part with 2 outlets and 2 inlets, for the trans fluid and the power steering fluid. The fluid that came from the trans cooler lines looked contaminated (they supposely changed the fluid) and the fluid that came from the power steering lines looked ok. Where the h@#$ this water or coolant came from? I hate to sound like a broken record but I'm really puzzled!
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Neil
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2008, 02:05:18 PM » |
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I guess they are just trying to find "a reason" to fix the tranny at YOUR cost. I am sure it's their fault when they rebuilt it previously, but you never know. 5R55N has many complaints.... Ps. I have been experiencing thumps for years 2->3rd gear, but it still works  |
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sanjoin
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2008, 09:42:21 AM » |
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exactly how that thump suppose to feel, buy the way?
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atilamejias
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2008, 12:08:13 PM » |
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Ok, here are the pics. The radiator, cooler and a/c condenser are still in the car, I haven't removed them yet because in order to remove these I have to reclaim the a/c refrigerant. I checked the JTIS again and found that other models(I checked the 2003 one) there is indeed a trans fluid line running into the radiator. But the 2000 model diagram showed exactly was I just saw, there in no lines running into radiator. The only thing I could think of is that the cooler is broken inside and the power steering fluid mixed with trans fluid, but in this case the trans fluid shouldn't look like they showed me (prevous thread). The water puddle theory died when they told me that after they flushed and refill the trans, the fluid came contaminated again. Here are the pics: You can't see the cooler here but the alum line is from the a/c to the condenser, A straight black line that you see under the radiator bottom outlet goes from the steering system to the cooler and the rubber one you side goes from the power steering fluid reservoir to the cooler: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/DSC01910.jpg?t=1203868249 Another view. The alum line that you see is attached to the a/c condenser: http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/th_DSC01908.jpg Another view of the cooler: http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/th_DSC01907.jpg here you can see the radiator on one side, the trans fluid cooler in the middle and the a/c condenser on the other side: http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/th_DSC01906.jpg these are 2 alum pipes coming from trans, hooking up with 2 rubber hoses going into oil cooler: http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/?action=view¤t=DSC01903.jpg This is not mine but is exactly as mine. The two hoses in the bottom go to the transmission. The other two go to the steering system and the power steering reservoir: http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x17/atilamejias/ |
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